Queue Locked and Regarding Moderation
Posted by Sally
11/14/12 - 11:52AM
Due to the volume of submissions and issues with authors repeatedly submitting stories that don't adhere to our submission rules, the queue is temporarily closed.

This archive has always had submission rules. Granted, they were more lax in the past, but many of the rules have always been there. I imposed these rules to create an archive of stories that I would like to read.

We don't care about your content, the story you tell; but, we do care that you use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

If the moderators ask you to revise a story due to spelling or grammatical issues please do it. If you feel it's correct, you may respectfully defend your position. I know it's easy to get into an "Us vs. Them" mentality, but abusive remarks are not cool.

If you want your stories posted immediately or feel insulted by our rules, there are thousands of sites available that might be more to your liking. You even can start a story journal or your own fanfiction site.

Thanks for reading and we'll let you know when the queue reopens. ^_^


Oh boy. I'm sorry you guys had to go so far. :( People really should listen. I hope things get cleared up nicely and that people really take it in when they're being told something. Best of luck! -Whimsy
- WhimsicalWanderer on 11/14/12 - 01:38PM
No offense, I hope I'm not being rude, but this kinda pissed me off since I was ready to post a story. I just have to say that YOU'RE the people who read and decide if a story can be posted. So you can just delete the personís story if it doesn't meet your rules. You shouldn't shut down everyone elseís fun just because of other people. This was a major let down.
- Empyrea-Templar_est on 11/14/12 - 05:04PM
The point of sending back a story that doesn't meet the requirements of the site is so that the author in question can fix the mistakes made. When an author continually sends the chapter without fixing the mistakes, it can be incredibly frustrating to the mods. Simply deleting the story doesn't solve the problem because then the submitter will then pose the potential threat of harassing the mods as to why his/her story hasn't been posted yet and that creates a whole other problem.

It is a frustrating situation but please be respectful of Sally's decision. It could have been a lot worse. She offers valid alternatives to those people who do not correct their submissions for whatever reason and still desire to have their chapter posted as is. I'm sure they considered every alternative before reaching this decision. Besides, it's not like the queue is shut down completely and permanently. The time waiting can be spent writing more of your story. There's a plus side.
- Isis san on 11/14/12 - 05:40PM
I'm more annoyed that I tried posting a story days ago and it's still not been validated or sent back with feedback, so I have no idea what's going on. Now I probably will never find out what's up. While I appreciate the focus on quality now, I miss when stories could be posted at an author's whim.
- AnkeaEnkeli on 11/14/12 - 05:43PM
You probably shouldn't post things in anger. Saying no offense before being rude doesn't stop your words from being, well, rude. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Sally is the owner of the site, and she's closed the queue temporarily for a reason. Ranting at her because of that decision isn't going to get you anywhere.

To be honest, waiting a few days to post your story is nothing compared to the current wait you'll have to go through before the story is either accepted or denied by a moderator. On this site, patience is a virtue and abusing Sally gets you nowhere.
- DragonSilk on 11/14/12 - 05:44PM
Your story has only been in the queue for a few days. Right now the queue is at about 260ish submissions, and we still have submissions from last month to wade through. The queue might be closed, but that doesn't mean that the moderators aren't still working on the stories that are in it.

However, if you simply want to post a story without moderation, there are plenty of alternatives to this site. for example.
- DragonSilk on 11/14/12 - 05:47PM
I'm sorry, are you speaking to me, or Empyrea-Templar_est? Because I haven't abused Sally at all, and I have been very patient. I understand it's her choice to close the queue if she so chooses and thinks it's the best solution. I hope it does what she intends, and that in the end she doesn't have to keep it closed for very long.
- AnkeaEnkeli on 11/14/12 - 05:48PM
Oh, sorry. I wasn't sure who you were responding to.

I remember Luna from before the modding of submissions, so it's something I'm adjusting to. Just ignore me XD;
- AnkeaEnkeli on 11/14/12 - 05:49PM
Luna has always had moderation. I believe you're thinking of Freedom of Speech.
- DragonSilk on 11/14/12 - 06:00PM
Man, I can imagine the frustration.

I hope that all goes well from here on out, and that submissions will be raring to go again soon. I can't wait to write and send my first submission. All in due time, I suppose.

Much luck to you, Sally, along with the moderators. Take all the time you need. :)

- ArmageddonSweetheart on 11/14/12 - 08:58PM
DragonSilk is correct. Luna has been a moderated archive from the beginning. It was founded on the principles of having stories that are legible and allowing any type of story and any content, especially after started getting rid of authors with certain types of content posted. All of this is in the "About Us" section.

The issues we were having were with people flooding the queue and submitting things with no change after being denied, meaning that we were spending time on repeatedly denying the same stories. These issues were widespread, making it difficult for us to help the people who have been following the rules all along because these types of issues slow the queue down for everyone.

I should also point out that this queuelock is coming at a time when there are far fewer submissions in it than the last queuelock. It shouldn't take us that long to empty it this time. (It's also locked so Sally can install and test a new feature to help prevent one of these problems.)
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/14/12 - 09:01PM
It sucks that after how many times you've all asked that people not spam the queue, they still do it anyway... It'd be neat if there was a way to put certain people on like a "submission cool down". I.E. Non-validated authors can only update their story once a day. Or post three things in a day.

If it's possible, that'd be handy for the revamp. XD
- Tsula on 11/14/12 - 09:04PM
Man, I can imagine the frustration.

I hope that all goes well from here on out, and that submissions will be raring to go again soon. I can't wait to write and send my first submission. All in due time, I suppose.

Much luck to you, Sally, along with the moderators. Take all the time you need. :)

- ArmageddonSweetheart on 11/14/12 - 09:04PM
SSDD. I agree with Tsula. Since people continue to be total derps after they've been told to stop (multiple times), they should be put in time out.
- VemParaFicar on 11/14/12 - 09:59PM
I can understand the frustration for people who aren't validated (from back a long time ago when I wasn't), but I can also see where staff is coming from. Me, personally, I don't want to see this site go down in quality. If we got rid of the mods approving everything, then that's exactly what would happen. I stand by Sally's decision to temporarily shut down the queue.
- KarenaWilliams on 11/14/12 - 10:30PM
You're all right. I apologize for ranting when I'm in a frustrated mood.
- Empyrea-Templar_est on 11/14/12 - 10:38PM
Also I would like to say that I'm a very patient person. I don't mind waiting if I know my story is getting looked at. It's the waiting for having something shut down thanks to other people that pisses me off. But yes I apologize for ranting about how I feel. I probably won't be able to post anything for about a month or two since I'll once again be busy with work and college. So thank you all who ruined everyone elses fun.
- Empyrea-Templar_est on 11/14/12 - 10:43PM
I both respect and understand your decision and given the situation, I would have probably done the same thing as well, Sally. However, not gonna lie, I'm so sad I can't upload anything at the moment. Hehehe. Que Sera Sera Ah well...Gives me plenty of time to catch up on some stories (reading others and writing my own lol ) But, I am glad that this is a moderated site. I can not tell you how many fanfiction websites I left just because the quality of the stories were craptastic. I also agree with Tsula and VemParaFicar on this. This is your website, Sally and you expect everyone to obey them. It's like going to someone's house and they are being rather hospitable to you and they only ask that you respect their rules. If they're going to be sourpusses about it, they can take it elsewhere OR suck it up and follow the rules. Eventually they'll get better and then there will be less problems. Anyway, I digress, I hope to see the queue open soon and hopefully this'll get people to actually listen. ^_^
- Nefertiti on 11/14/12 - 10:48PM
If it's already complete and ready to submit to the queue, just watch the announcements. Sally is going to announce when the queue unlocks, so all you'll have to do is paste it in, fill out the rest of the submission form (category, title, rating, etc.), and hit "submit" when she announces that it's unlocked again.
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/14/12 - 11:15PM
Whoever was running Luna back in 2005-2006 either had more mods, or lower standards on quality, because submissions came out much faster. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
- AnkeaEnkeli on 11/15/12 - 01:08AM
Sally started Luna and has been running it ever since. Luna had fewer members back then. There were less than three thousand members while we now have over 17,000. The site has grown over time.
- DragonSilk on 11/15/12 - 01:25AM
Honestly, I'm disappointed with how the members have been reacting and treating Sally and the Mods. They work hard-for nothing in return. I don't know how often this has to be reiterated before people actually acknowledge that the mods and Sally have real lives. It may be a hard concept-especially when some people spend countless hours on here- but it's a concept that everyone HAS to accept. Things could always take a turn for the worse and Sally could give the O.K. to start banning repeat offenders- or even worse, Sally could close Luna and then no one would have a safe haven. After all, if you were to go to school or work and they informed you there are rules to follow or punishment would ensure, wouldn't you do everything in your power NOT to disobey the rules? What makes following the rules here any different?
- Mrs Kitty Corpse on 11/15/12 - 02:28AM
Honestly, I'm disappointed with how the members have been reacting and treating Sally and the Mods. They work hard-for nothing in return. I don't know how often this has to be reiterated before people actually acknowledge that the mods and Sally have real lives. It may be a hard concept-especially when some people spend countless hours on here- but it's a concept that everyone HAS to accept. Things could always take a turn for the worse and Sally could give the O.K. to start banning repeat offenders- or even worse, Sally could close Luna and then no one would have a safe haven. After all, if you were to go to school or work and they informed you there are rules to follow or punishment would ensure, wouldn't you do everything in your power NOT to disobey the rules? What makes following the rules here any different?
- Mrs Kitty Corpse on 11/15/12 - 02:59AM
I would like to point out that it's not always preventable or everyday issues. We have enough moderators most of the time, but when there's an issue that takes some of us off the site (hurricanes, blizzards, Nor'Easters, earthquakes...exams for the mods in university) or when the submission volume is much higher than normal (school breaks), we tend to fall a bit behind. It's much less inconvenient for everyone if we close it for a couple of days to catch up than if we wait for there to be 400 or 500 stories backed up.
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/15/12 - 03:00AM
I was still running Lunaescence back in 2005 - 2006. We had less than 200 users... and a maximum of like 20 things in the queue. ^_^;;
- Sally on 11/15/12 - 08:41AM
Oh and only about 1,500 total stories.
- Sally on 11/15/12 - 08:43AM
Thank you, Sally! Thank you, Mods! You guys do such a wonderful job keeping this site up and running for our viewing pleasure! I honestly couldn't imagine a day without Luna! It's my escape! So, thank you for always doing what you need to do to keep it pretty, organized and working! I appreciate all the work you put into it! Thank you! :)
- rubberducky1 on 11/15/12 - 08:58AM
I don't see where the big problem is.
If the moderators need their time to check the submissions they should have the right to do so. I think it's better this way, because otherwise lunaesence would be full of crap, to put it this way.
It's amazing that this site has so many good fanfictions with a faboulous spelling, thanks to the moderators who check the submissions.
- sami-chan on 11/15/12 - 01:34PM
Thank you Sally and Mods! We appreciate what you do for Luna. (^◇^)

On another note, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, has anyone else not been recieving story alert emails? I just read a story from my favs list that has been updated several times since I last read it, (which was almost a month ago) but I haven't gotten any emails from Luna in weeks. Glitch maybe? ^_^u
- Kiryn on 11/15/12 - 05:13PM
Thank you Sally and Mods! We appreciate what you do for Luna. (^◇^)

On another note, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, has anyone else not been recieving story alert emails? I just read a story from my favs list that has been updated several times since I last read it, (which was almost a month ago) but I haven't gotten any emails from Luna in weeks. Glitch maybe? ^_^u
- Kiryn on 11/15/12 - 05:27PM
Kiryn - I've been having the same problem, as well.

Also, maybe we could induct more mods? If the number of stories are increasing exponentially, then I think the number of mods should, too. I'd be willing to volunteer! -^.^-
- Bleu Wales on 11/15/12 - 05:27PM
@Kiryn - We know about it. It's a bug. It's affecting a lot of people. Only Sally can deal with the code, and that issue has proved rather stubborn, as has an issue where very popular stories don't show in Most Recent. These are some of the reasons that a rewrite is needed. (The rewrite would also include plans to reduce the number of stories that sit for a very long time in the queue.)

@Bleu Wales - Normally, we have enough. It's really only when someone gets cut off from the site (like...because of a hurricane or something) or over school breaks when the submission volume is higher that we get behind. This time, it was an issue with mods getting cut off from the site on top of people repeatedly resubmitting unedited content. (Meaning that we had to repeatedly send the same no letters and deal with the same submissions, slowing it down for everyone else.)

It takes a couple of months to set up and go through the application process. It also takes up a lot of our time that would normally be spent on queue. There's no way that we could get more people before Christmas, when submissions are likely to double or triple over the normal rate. It would only make the problem worse over winter break. Sally is currently testing a feature that will deal with some of the issues that caused us to back up this time, but, realistically, we can't go through another round of mod applications until early 2013.

As I've said before, this lock shouldn't last long. My unofficial prediction, based on what we've seen so far and the rate we've been going through it, is sometime early next week. (Of course, there could be hidden monsters or hidden gems. We won't know until we find them.)
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/15/12 - 06:51PM
Thanks for your hard work, Sally and all you moderators. I hope the break helps you catch up, and perhaps it'll remind some people to edit.
- Relocation on 11/16/12 - 02:30PM
How do I delete my account?
I'm not waiting 8 months for one story to come up and then have it turned down because I spelled 'The' wrong. I could have just as well edited it once it was up. I mean really...
- QuadOcular on 11/18/12 - 02:56PM
One of the problems associated with running a website like this, I believe, is that some of its users may not understand just what goes into doing so. Hereís the situation as I understand it.

Sally set this place up years ago because she wanted to make a site where fanfiction writers could have the freedom to write what they wanted. She also wanted to ensure that the fiction stored here was of the highest quality, so while she does nothing to interfere with the writerís content, she insists on proper language conventions. I donít see any advertising to finance this archive. All I see is a very unobtrusive ĎDonateí button at the bottom of the navigation bar, so I can pretty much guarantee that Sally is not making a dime from this. She is doing it because she wants to.

As the site grew more popular and the demands of maintaining a high standard of quality control became too much for her alone, Sally turned to the Lunaescence community (because that is what the users of this archive became) for assistance. She recruited a few like minded individuals with the language skills necessary to proofread story submissions. Sally is not paying them to do this. They also have work, school, and family obligations just like the rest of us, yet they donate their free time to Lunaescence to the great benefit of the site and its many users. All they get in return for their efforts (and these efforts are considerable) is the satisfaction of a job well done.

And an inordinate amount of abuse, apparently. Which is a shame. I havenít been here for very long, but I know quality when I see it. Initially I was looking for a secure site to archive my fanfiction in case began deleting stories that overstepped their guidelines. After getting a couple of very polite and helpful validation letters about some errors I missed, I began to look my chapters over very carefully before submitting them, often more than once. Not only have I made the necessary changes to improve my grammar and spelling, I have also found ways to improve the overall story. I am very grateful to the mods for motivating me to do this. I was happy with my story before. Iím more proud of it now. The focus on getting the chapters up as quickly as possible has changed to a focus on taking extra time to ensure that my work is the best it can be. I will continue to make that extra effort with all my chapter submissions in future, in both reposting chapters from and the new story I have in the works.

It upsets me when I read the monthly newsletters saying the same things over and over Ė be respectful, be patient, donít ignore the mods Ė because I know that it means there are people out there not naturally doing these very basic things. To know that there are individuals who feel that their needs should transcend those of the many other authors here saddens me, but I suppose it shouldnít surprise me. In every situation there are bound to be groups in diametric opposition Ė the humble altruism of the Sally and the moderators at odds with the arrogant selfishness of a few self important individuals with delusions of entitlement. Iím quite impressed with the high level of professionalism and maturity Sally and her well selected moderators maintain to deal with these challenges, and Iím very grateful that they do not allow these ungrateful few to ruin it for the rest of us.

I seem to have gone on at greater length than I anticipated. I have just one more thing to add Ė my thanks. To Sally and her wonder team of moderators. Keep up the good work. The vast majority of us here really appreciate it.
- UP2L8 on 11/18/12 - 05:06PM
Awful lot of QQin' goin' on over a temporarily closed queue. Get over it. Pretty sure Quizilla and are free range if you really hate Luna that much.
- VemParaFicar on 11/18/12 - 05:49PM
I'm not sure if you misunderstood your letter or not, but switching tenses incorrectly is a far cry from misspelling "the".

Actually, a few of us send out yes letters with errors when we validate things that are a little borderline or have a few bad errors. In a perfect world, we'd accept more borderline stuff and send out more of these letters because everyone would be willing to fix their stories. Unfortunately, this is not the case. When I see new chapters for stuff I've sent yes letters out to, I usually check to see if the errors from the previous chapter have been fixed. Most of the time, the authors don't bother.

So tr;dl if more people paid attention to our yes-letters (or even just our emails in general) more stuff would get validated. :D
- DragonSilk on 11/18/12 - 06:21PM
I might add that if you are someone who frequently fixes things we point out in yes letters, we're more likely to accept borderline things from you and send these letters. If you're someone who doesn't fix them, we're more likely to deny borderline things.

You're also way more likely to get author validation (either when you ask or because one of us nominates you) if wee see an improvement over time, such as if we see that you've been paying attention to yes letters and not making the same mistakes in later chapters.

Also, nothing actually sits in the queue for eight months. The oldest things currently in there are about eight weeks old. If it has taken eight months to get something validated, we have sent multiple no letters listing the issues, and it has gone through at least four or five times.
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/18/12 - 10:09PM
Thank you Sally and all the Luna mods! I appreciate all the hard work you do for Luna! :3 Keep up the good work!
(yeah, apparently I like exclamation points today...)
- Liatris on 11/19/12 - 07:13PM
If people didn't abuse the system because they had no patience, then this wouldn't be happening. I think the site may need more modís, but some lenience on spelling and grammatical errors, no-one is perfect, maybe accept it on the grounds that certain things are changed or it's put on a warning stage system like Red, Amber and green, if you're on amber you have to make it to green to keep it up, and red is just flat rejection? Just a suggestion on how it should be ranked to maybe make some people happier? IDK, this place isn't where I have to sift through 12 pages of awful crossovers and badly written canon, there is quality here. I can understand member frustration, but modís have lives too, think how long it takes a teacher to mark hundreds of exam papers folks!
Sally works hard just as you guys do with your fan fiction, thatís why we work together. Sites grow and things become backlogged, and itís just a matter of time.
- Underworld on 11/20/12 - 02:48PM
@ Underworld - It's a nice idea...but the efiction system (the basic archive system that Luna uses) is set up for black and white. We can deny, validate, or leave things in the queue. What we've found is that waiting for people to edit doesn't work, and most people won't edit if we validate a borderline story and send a letter. What you suggested is actually very similar to something suggested for the rewrite. We're looking at a more extensive system to encourage beta readers for the stories that are borderline so that we only have to flat-out deny the very worst of the worst and things that break rules.

We also won't typically deny a story for one or two errors unless it's a really short story. We're looking for about one error per 200 words as the limit between validation and denial. It kind of depends on what the error is as to how strict we'll be. If it's typos that a spell check would pick up or the word "I" left lower case, we're likely to be a little harsher than if it's an occasional run-on. Basically, a short drabble is more likely to be denied for two or three errors than a story that's a few thousand words with the same errors because we're really looking at frequency.

We won't be able to do moderator applications until after Christmas because they take a couple of months to do, and we just can't take time off of queue to process applications when the site is at its busiest because it will only cause even more problems. (There's no way for us to have the two rounds of applications required to select new moderators done before Christmas, and the time between Christmas and New Year's is too busy for us to be in the middle of it then.)
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/20/12 - 10:36PM
I'm so thankful for Luna. I think sally and the mods are wonderful at what they do and authors should be patient and understanding of how much work they do and have to do. It really isn't all that hard to follow a few posting rules. I mean, really, there is no argument against proper English grammar. I've had things sent back to redo and instead of moping around like I wanted to, I took the advice and fixed my mistakes. People should just really have patience. No one is perfect.
- quiet_moon on 11/21/12 - 05:11AM
I don't understand why when people get yes letters with the certain errors that should be fixed, they can't fix it! I mean they literally are told what to fix! And if it's approved anyway, that means there's only a couple things to fix! What... What exactly is so hard about that?! Oh, how people make me laugh.

-Rant over-

Anyway, I don't perticularly mind the lock, though I'd like to update one of my stories, I'd have to wait a week or so anyway, so it doesn't really matter. :D

@Those of you who are pissed about the lock

The mods are doing their best. There are thousands of members submitting stories everyday, and some are longer than others. It takes time to read all those. Think about all the stories you take about ten minutes to read per chapter. The mods have to go through 10 times that. They are the reasons we have so many good stories on Luna, so I wouldn't get on they're bad side, if I were you... THEY are the ones who have to read your staries and approve them.

Oh and on a completely unrelated note, the last two stories I've posted, it didn't say they were validated until someone reviewed them. I'm not sure if this is happening to anyone else, but it's been bugging me. Glitch? Or does the site just hate me? D:
- Punxarox on 11/21/12 - 06:30PM
I'm not sure what you mean by, "it didn't say they were validated"? Do you mean that you didn't get an email notifying you that they were validated? Because the moderators send those by hand and sometimes we don't send them. (When I don't have any errors to point out. I don't always bother filling out the form. It's about a 50/50 there. And some of the moderators send the emails via the site and the site has been known to eat emails.)

Or do you mean that the site itself said the chapter was still unvalidated when you checked your stats? Because it's possible that the story was still unvalidated when you checked?
- DragonSilk on 11/21/12 - 08:36PM

Well I know that they don't always send emails when it doesn't have any errors, but even though it is validated, it says, 'No' underneath the validated column. And it only says yes once I get a review on it. See, I just thought at first that the story was just super popular, and then when I looked at the publish date, it says it was posted... Well, the date is different from the date when it finally says it's validated. Also, when I check the stats of the story, once it says it's validated, it also usually has about 200 views. I find it hard to believe that on the day it's posted it just so happens to get so many views. Mainly because as I watch the number rise, it gets about 10 per day. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that the stary is validated, it just doesn't tell me until someone leave a review. I could be wrong, but given that it's happened twice now... I dunno. Psh, maybe I'm just losing my mind :D
- Punxarox on 11/21/12 - 09:53PM
@Punxarox It doesn't look like there's a problem. I checked the site's log and your story was validated on the 20th, just a few hours before its first review. Some of the view counts were probably just moderators looking at the story and deciding they didn't have time to validate it or didn't feel like reading a lemon at the time (which happens). View counts can spike before a story is validated, sometimes by a lot if a story has more adult content. Anything like torture or rape is especially bad since moderators (well, maybe just me) sometimes feel like they can't deal with it at the moment.

So, it's not a site error at all. You're seeing your view counts go up because moderators sometimes just click around the queue at random. (And view counts aren't unique. I probably just made it go up by about five looking at the story's stats because I "viewed" it a few times in the process.)
- DragonSilk on 11/22/12 - 04:08AM

Okay then, I had a feeling I was just losing my mind... :D Sorry about that, thanks for clearing that up. :D
- Punxarox on 11/22/12 - 09:46AM
Thank you for your hard work! :D I'm truly grateful that there's site out there that has good quality stories. And honestly, I don't understand those who complain about Luna. I had my story sitting for about over a month in the queue and eventually the mods checked it and validated it... and I patiently waited for it all this time (even tho I am such an anxious brat at times).
I don't see why everyone's making a big deal of it. Just chill out, take a sit and write some more.
Again, thank you to the mods. Honestly, people should appreciate more the effort you put on this site.
- UltraVioletSoul on 11/22/12 - 01:03PM
lol...yeah...I have a policy about lemons. I'll read them when I'm awake, but I won't do them right before I go to bed. For some reason, they give me nightmares.
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/22/12 - 03:52PM
The Mass Effect kink meme, Dragon Age kink meme, and Skyrim kink meme do the "Between dates x and y, we won't be accepting anymore prompts", every 4 - 8 weeks. Perhaps Luna should adopt a similar thing?

I know it won't be popular, but it'll give the mods more breathing room for validating, and perhaps keep the queue at a reasonable level.

From what was explained from above, it seems that the mods check whatever comes their way. Perhaps, mods who are either senior members of Luna, or have experience editing take care of the longer stories, while newer mods, or those who don't have as much experience take care of the drabbles? This is just a suggestion though, as I'm positive all the current and future mods are more then capable of editing stories.

Nonetheless, Luna is a great site, and even though I haven't been writing as much, I love this site :D So many good stories~!
- on 11/22/12 - 08:44PM
I meant to say "take a seat" :| don't know why I spelled it "sit". Well... that's precisely why we need beta readers and mods :LOL:
Do lemons give you nightmares, Kerrigan? :O I sleep like a baby after reading them (?) I'm such a pervy ; A ;
Hell yeah! So many good stories around here! ^^ honestly, reading fics here gave me an idea on how to do a good writing :D it was really helpful!
- UltraVioletSoul on 11/22/12 - 08:56PM
I agree with UVS, so many stories with so many different writing styles!

It just so beautiful TT^TT
- iLazy on 11/22/12 - 09:00PM
Do you know we will be able to submit or work again? I'm new here.
- xDistortedxMoonlightx on 11/23/12 - 01:04AM
@xDistortedxMoonlightx Who knows. They said it was temporary yet it's been a week. They're also really "busy" especially now that the holidays are around. So if they happen to open it again, it probably won't be 'til after christmas. Which obviously blows seeing as that's when most people (like me who's been busy with school and work) will actually be able to do something. I went to this site 'cause my friend recommended it. I liked it since it has good quality, but the down side is that the person or people in charge can't come up with a better way to handle the "bad" stories that are submitted. So basically to answer you're question, they'll open it back up whenever they actually end up giving their time to do so.
- Empyrea-Templar_est on 11/23/12 - 02:43AM
Oh, and before everyone else rags on me for being rude and "immature" for speaking my mind, it's true. The people in charge can think of a better way to handle their website and not put us out. I'm not trying to be rude and if you see me as immature go right ahead. I'm a very patient person except when it comes to stupidity, like this is. It's great you guys care so much about the site but you all can all do a better job of dealing with people who abuse the rules. If the person(s) keep sending in half-assed things then you all can just delete them. Regaurdless if they actually end up correcting their work, if they continued to send in crap before they actually decided to finally correct them, then don't bother looking at it again. It's pretty simple.
- Empyrea-Templar_est on 11/23/12 - 02:50AM
@ said - We don't divide queue by experience level. It's actually easier to deal with medium-longish stories than very short ones because it only takes a few errors to have to deny a short story. We're actually looking at frequency as much as at what the errors themselves are. If a moderator has a limited amount of time on a given day (such as half an hour before lunch), they'll usually try to move four or five shorter stories, rather than one or two longer ones. (Sally's newly installed code should take care of our spamming problem and keep it to a reasonable level, though.)

@ UltraVioletSoul - It's only if I try to look through them right before bed. If I read them several hours before I go to bed, it's not a problem. It's probably because I always seem to pull something that's...erm...not my thing...when I pull a lemon around bedtime. (Not that lemons really are my cup of tea anyway...but some are way less "my thing" than others.) If it does happen that I roll (I literally use a dice roller program when doing queue) a lemon at bedtime, I usually make a note to check it later when I'm fully awake. I *do* handle lemons. Lots of them. Just not at bedtime...

@xDistortedxMoonlightx - It shouldn't be that much longer. It definitely won't be after Christmas. It's already down by about half, but a lot of the moderators had to travel over Thanksgiving, so it slowed from its initial rapid pace for a few days. It should go down quite quickly after everyone's back to their routines. Then we just have to notify Sally and wait for her to post her announcement. Our last backup was over twice this size.

@ everybody - The issue isn't "bad fics" or people who legitimately take a few tries to get things right. It's actually things that are against the rules (multiple submissions, empty "placeholder" chapters, things that have been denied and resubmitted unedited, plagiarism) that we have to then delete one-by-one that are taking time away from regular submissions, good or bad. It takes a lot of time to manually delete 30+ spam stories one-by-one (it's multiple pages so we don't accidentally delete's not like checking the box on 30 spam emails and hitting one delete button), and when that's every single day (or nearly so) over a period of weeks, it backs up everything else. It's also a mistake to think that we can just "delete things" without reading them or lock accounts without warnings. In fact, we had to get Sally's permission to start locking accounts for unedited resubmission because it hasn't been much of a problem in the past.

About 98% of users are following the rules and cause us no problems. It was a tiny minority that caused the backup, in this case.

Also...the queue would have locked for a day or two anyway, even if it was empty or nearly so. Sally had to turn it off for a short time in order to write and install a bit of code to ease the queuespam, which will be explained when the queue unlocks. We need a clean slate (or nearly so) in order to ensure that it's working properly, otherwise we'd likely unlock with a few dozen stories left.
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/23/12 - 06:49AM
@Empyrea-Templar_est - Like KS said, the queue won't be closed for much longer. We're working towards bringing the count down, so you'll most likely be able to post stories again before Christmas. As for how we deal with things, it's difficult to handle things like you've suggestedójust automatically deleting things of repeat offenders. That means we would be discriminating against them, in a way, that doesn't give them the same chance to improve and submit as everyone else does. Excepting the random trolls who appear, most people, I feel, are entitled to the no letters that help them improve. And besides, we don't know if someone edits their story or not unless we look at it, so. We're trying as best as we can, see, so I only ask that you bear with us. ^-^
- Alastair on 11/23/12 - 07:55AM
All we ask is that everyone gives us a little cooperation and patience. We moderators strive to provide you with a collection of quality stories, possibly the best fanfiction you can find anywhere online, and quality takes time, time out of our personal, professional, and academic lives. Perhaps it isn't quite as obvious, but even reading through good submissions is a very time-consuming process. We can spend hours on just a few submissions -- writing letters, pointing out mistakes, and providing explanations. Not only do we want an archive full of these quality stories, but we hope to improve the writing of others as well so they may one day join the community as validated authors.

If anyone has any suggestions as to make this process more efficient, then head on over to the forums and write us up the details. We'd be glad to read them. Until then, a negative attitude does nothing to speed up the process. In fact, I would daresay that it hurts member morale, and instead of working on the queue, we spend our time addressing other such problems. Please bear this in mind.

On a different note, if anyone here really dislikes waiting for submissions to go through the queue, perhaps it is time to improve your writing -- provide us with quality, reasonably-free-of-errors stories and we will grant you the permission to submit at your own will. Once you are validated, you can write and submit all that you want without these queue restrictions.

We thank you all for bearing with us.
- Penguiduck on 11/23/12 - 01:16PM
I agree with Sally, I do like reading but I would prefer whatever I'm reading to be readable and not have a bunch of grammar, punctuation, spelling, and capitalization errors.
Sorry the mods had to go all the way to closing submissions.
- Marinatheweird99 on 11/23/12 - 07:45PM
Sometimes things get clogged. I think it's selfish to complain about a free website as good as this one going down for a week or two. It's always come back, we just have to be patient and show support.
- Chellendora on 11/23/12 - 09:45PM
Is there a specific date set for when the queue will be open again?
- Liatris on 11/24/12 - 03:23AM
There's no set date. It'll reopen whenever we finish moderating all of the stories that are currently in the queue. We don't really work at a set pace (different stories take different amounts of time, and moderators work whenever they can find time).

We also don't want to give anyone an estimated day. Mostly because we don't want everyone logging in on a single day. That definitely would not be good for the site's resources, and it could cause a crash. But if I had to guess, sometime at the end of this month/beginning of the next.
- DragonSilk on 11/24/12 - 04:11AM
All righty then :) Thanks for quick response.
Thanks mods for all your hard work!
- Liatris on 11/24/12 - 04:20AM
If stories with minimal errors are accepted, they should be put into a "surveillance" list. If the errors aren't fixed within a given period of time, the chapter with the errors gets deleted. People might actually learn their lesson that way, and perhaps they'll stop walking all over the mods when they make that sort of allowance.
- An Enemy Anemone on 11/24/12 - 08:48PM
Just a random question, how many stories were on the queue? Sounds like it really got backed up o_o

Also, I don't mind the wait. This website has always been a favorite of mine for a long time. If there are changes needed to make it better than I don't mind a few inconveniences :D
- PupPupPop on 11/25/12 - 02:04AM
I know that we'd hit a high point of about 240ish stories sometime before it closed, but I think it was closer to 220 when it actually got locked. I don't remember the exact number. D: Sorry about that!

Hopefully, it won't get quite so large when it reopens. A little bit of the size had something to do with the fact that we regularly get new members who put a lot of stuff into the queue at once, and that won't be possible once it's back up.
- DragonSilk on 11/25/12 - 02:26AM
@ An Enemy Anemone - Perhaps we'll get a chance to try that after Christmas. (Christmas break is...very busy...very very busy...) Personally, I like this suggestion because it gives us an option between ignoring it and locking accounts. I'm not sure how practical it will be, though, since it depends on keeping a lot more shared notes than we already have. If the other mods are interested, I'd like to try it, but we'll have to see how it works out in order to determine if it's practical in the long-term.

@ PupPupPop - It was well over 200. The last time it was locked, it was nearly at 500. (Average queue length is about 100.) It's better to lock at 200 than at 500 because the queue lags really badly over 400, to the point that it takes so long to load that sit tends to time out for some moderators, meaning that it's slower to do for all of us and with less people to do it as well.

And, yes, massive amounts of submissions will no longer be possible, which means that it shouldn't be able to build up quickly. It will mean that unvalidated authors will have to pick and choose what to submit when, but it will also mean that individual items should get through more quickly.

As for dates...not as long as most people seem to think it will take. It depends entirely on how busy different moderators are and what we actually find in what's left of the queue. If nobody's busy and it's smooth sailing, it could be two or three days. If we find that there's a lot of long no letters in our future, it could be a little longer.
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/25/12 - 08:21AM
I apologize for my behavior. I'm under stress thanks to work and school and the way I can usually get over it is by writing. However I'm not making excuses so I take full responsibility of my behavior. I apologize to all who I've offened. I'm just irritated at the people who made Sally shut down the Queue. But I do apologize.
- Empyrea-Templar_est on 11/25/12 - 08:52PM
Thank you Mods and Sally for all your hard work!! We really appreciate all the effort you guys are doing for everyone's sake!

- Sweet-n-Chaotic on 11/26/12 - 11:24AM
Thank you Sally and Mods for all your hard work. Seriously. You guys do what you have to do to keep this site. I see no problem in that at all. It's slightly sad people don't understand how time consuming (and at times frustrating) this can be.

This place has taught me a lot and I hope I continue to learn so I can keep improving.
- Daxi on 11/27/12 - 03:50AM
I really do love this site, and the focus they have on quality. I've wanted to start my own archive for a long, long, LOOOONG time and this place has been a wonderful inspiration and motivator to keep trying with it!

I definitely don't mind the closed up qeue if it means good stuff to look forward to, along with my own stories in the qeue right now being approved or critiqued. I think both of my stories are among the oldest in the qeue, going on 2 months old without yay or nay.

But I'm definitely waiting to hear back! Thank you, Luna, for doing this for us <3
- Vosska on 11/28/12 - 09:22PM
Okay so... This has nothing to do with the Queue but when it opens again and I can post stories how can I... Crap I don't know how to word my question... Well how do I indent it so that my paragraphs are really small, Like with one or two sentences? I was going over some of my writing and I know a lot of my paragraphs have many sentences and when posted here it maybe hard to read. I myself love reading stories with a lot of indents so that I can read it easily. Sorry if this doesn't make since and I know this isn't really a place for questions but I was just curious.
- Scribbled_Ideas on 11/28/12 - 10:56PM
I'm working on the assumption this is your first time posting to Luna?

Well, we have a document uploader, but we generally don't advise that people use it. (It sometimes screws up and removes random spaces from your work, causing words to run together.)

So, what you can do is paste your chapter into the text area. After that, you have two options for paragraphing. Either you can separate all your paragraphs by hitting enter twice between them all or you can add the p tag (basically, p with two angle brackets around it) to the front. Both methods will add space between your paragraphs, making them easier to read.
The only real difference is that the p tag adds an indent while hitting enter twice between the paragraphs does not. So I'm guessing you'd be best with the p-tag. (If you have a p-tag at the beginning of one paragraph, be sure to include it at the beginning of all of them.)

Also, try viewing your story before posting it (there's a preview button on the page). This will let you check for formatting mistakes, and you can see if any of your paragraphs look too long. (Trust me, they usually look much shorter on Luna than they do in a word document.) After that you can just add more p tags as needed.

I hope that was helpful!
- DragonSilk on 11/28/12 - 11:15PM
I might add that hitting enter twice AND using the p tag at the same time or doing some paragraphs one way and some the other just creates an unreadable wall of text, so be sure to use only one method at a time.
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 11/29/12 - 04:03AM
Yes I am new. Thanks fot taking the time to answer!
- Scribbled_Ideas on 12/01/12 - 01:08AM
@Kerrigan Sheehan
Thank you I will keep that in mind.
- Scribbled_Ideas on 12/01/12 - 01:09AM
I hope you guys can work through all the stories. :(
It sucks a bit that submissions were shut down, but you got to do what you've got to do. Good luck and I hope people stop resubmitting their stories without making changes.
- Karnia on 12/03/12 - 03:07AM
I figure I should say this...there are very few stories left. They just happen to mostly be stories that take a long time to process, sometimes up to an hour to go through just one story and write the letter.

The delay is no longer numbers. It's now individual processing time on the last few stories.

And for any unvalidated authors considering signing up for fic trade, you WILL be able to submit long before the due dates. (Before you even get prompts, in fact.)
- Kerrigan Sheehan on 12/03/12 - 11:05AM
Well I decided to log onto my Luna account (I honestly never had the time to use it back when I made it and eventually forgot about it) but I see the situation, and I will wait patiently.
- Kuresten on 12/03/12 - 02:10PM